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Some people can be crass and have no idea what it means to be courteous or open minded. Am sorry to read about your experience, it shows our nation needs to grow up still! To me the fact that you have a interracial baby tells me you are capable of loving without hangups, and I would be honored to find folks like you among my friends. I think it has to do also overall with the growing culture here in the states. I grew up in PR, and slavery was abolished there about a hundred or so years before it was here in the mainland. In PR the interracial thing is not a big deal at all, there all so many cultures that are mixed there, it is not a shocking idea to see whites with blacks, orientals with blacks or whites. It may also have to do with where you live too! Rafael
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posted by formula61
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hı! how are u there? ı would lıke to meet u. |
posted by tokac1
3/5/2007 2:01:57 AM |
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Also, Flavor, I might say that they steer away from you guys because he is so incredibly awesomely ripped...and he intimidates the hell out of people...also Wolverine is pretty awesome too, I hear :) |
posted by Unknown
10/6/2006 10:51:00 AM |
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WE love interracial couples! Our best friends are DFLO and heaven knows he is as hot a man as God ever created! We love all colors and all ages, cause we LOVE sex with fun people. My first encounter with a black lover was not all that many years ago ..and I had the typical southern woman taboo thing in the back of my mind but powerful fantasies about the black white intertwining. It was everything I hoped and more and it opened lots of possibilities. The only problem we see is that there arent that many black women in the lifestyle and my husband soooo adores black women. |
posted by Unknown
10/6/2006 10:49:00 AM |
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HONESTLY in allot of cases I don't think its outrightracism... with all the upbringing it's a HARD bridge to cross for some women...When I was in college most of my friends were white.. so I found myself in alot of romantic situations with white girls. things would heat up but a lot ofthem would chicken out before anything serious would happen, they just couldn'thandle it. They may not hate black men but just aren't ready to sleep withone. Also not finding a black man attractive does not I repeat does not makeyou racist.
I hate how black men can say something like "I don't find Asian womenparticularly attractive" and its fine... but a white woman or white mansays it... then its racist! Sigh.
BUT there are allot of very racist people on this site... but of course themaren't going to advertise that of course. And honestly if there were openlyracist people on here... white people would be the first to call them out andbash the, it's true I've seen it happen on other sites.
But onto your situation... i want you to consider one of the major truths ofthis site.
Single BLACK men are 100 times more successful than single WHITE men... why is this?Allot of couples are trying to fill a fantasy so good-looking... wellbehaved black men do extremely well. And that's a damn fact... so, no I don'tthink racism is part of your issue.
Maybe its bad luck, it could also be your husbands size. Yeah he has anexcellent body but some men will be EXTREMELY intimidated by that.
But I digress im partied with all kinds of couples from full swap to soft swapto the "bliss club" types. Don't give up there are lots of couplesthat sure into the interracial thing! Keep trying! And lots of luck guys! |
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hey my wife couldnt under stand me when i told her that i love to see mix couples. my reason is mixs couple show that its more then color but its about the person. |
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Well, As far as your question, people are stupid....thats all there is too it. I hate seeing peoples preferences called racism as some of the posts put it, just because sombody isnt attracted to a particular race or body type etc etc doesnt mean they are discriminating. The lifestyle is really the only place where that applies. Its all equal, either they like you or dont, you really dont get a vote either way. We have full swapped with one black man, and Laurel couldnt walk for two days :P he was quite monsterous a freak of nature really. Thats was pretty much the last time she was interested in more then oral LOL. It was quite funny actually....the look on her face hehe. She has given many black guys oral. Preference wise we really dont have a preference as long as they arent thugs, are clean and are respectful and well spoken and that applies to all races and creeds. Now as far as black woman, we've only played with one as well, and would LOVE to again. That is really because none have had a real interest in me. Everybody seems to like Laurel :P. I'm not sure really why black girls for the most part don't like me....yes I cant dance....yes im white down to my socks...well ok I can see why there isnt alot of interest lol but I can lick a girl stupid and have an 8 1/2 member to please em with. Any black girls willing to try :) Rob and Laurel |
posted by ROXLLF
9/21/2006 10:46:00 PM |
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Our sentiments exactly! CJNCFL your right on target! Not only do you have the correct mind set, you also have a SLAMMING SEXY ROCK BODY!!!!!! In this lifestyle your going to meet all kinds of people with likes & dislikes. Lets face it, "They Walk Among Us" If you meet someone like that, 1st you dont need them & 2nd Fuckem! You will find the quality couples or singles that meet your tastes & meet your expectations. Remember BLACK or White is beautiful! |
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OH MY GOD! Is THIS a MIND GAME OR WHAT? |
posted by Unknown
9/15/2006 10:20:00 AM |
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We've met a few couples that were not open minded about race. I havent really figured out why people, especially in this lifestyle , have such hangups.Sexy people are sexy people. A variety of culture and / or race, just makes life more interest in all aspects. I guess the only thing those of us who arent predjudice about race can do is live our life as an example and educate those that want to be educated.The rest of em...F' em! |
posted by CJNCFL
8/28/2006 6:35:00 PM |
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well we are a couple in switzerland and I have to say we have not had this problem....yet but if we do we would just move on. Life is to short to get upset about other peoples idea`s on life.We entered the lifestyle to have new experiances and would never turn a couple down because of the color of there skin. You two look great we would meet you so who knows maybe the next time we are in Fl :-) |
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We have been fortunate enough to have lived in quite a few places around the world over the last 20 odd years and yes, racism is alive and well everywhere.. For those of you that say it doesn't exist in your country, you are sadly mistaken! Just because YOU have not experienced it or you say it doesn't exist means it absolutely doesn't exist right? Come one, you can do better than that!! Americans are just more in your face about it, and that is what separates the US from the rest of the world.. IMHO We lived in Holland for 8years and England for 4.. We have been to clubs in Holland where we were met by the door staff and told that we could not enter because there were too many blacks males in the club, even though we were a couple! When confronted, they always said the management wanted a balance and too many black males made the club less attractive to white clientel.. Call that business if you like!! In England it was less of an issue than expected but in some instances, white males would tell the managers, if you let them in, we take our group and leave.. Business is business so we were denied entry.. Do we lable everyone racist, no, do we lable them ignorant, absolutely, but it won't sway us away from who we are.. We're not married to these people nor do they pay any of our bills so we generally laugh at them and find somewhere else to go.. Now, wanna get a real shock? We've even faced reverse racism in the lifestyles from black couples that didn't appreciate a black man with a white woman, and had no problem telling us about it.. Racism is what it is, ignorance is something altogether different.. You can call preference whatever you want to call it, but sometimes it is a cloak for racism.. Not always, but in some instances.. One rule for us is to never judge a person or group of people based on their outward appearance or even what they might say at a given moment. But..... We will judge you on your intent and your actions.. Peace Cuna's Add>>> Here is something to keep this issue in perspective.. Even when you are denied by a person or couple, just remember, they will be denied by another, so it's safe to say, we're all guilty of something that might be offensive to someone else.. |
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preference is the answer, wife just dont like black guys and she is mix. |
posted by Unknown
8/21/2006 11:03:00 AM |
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It may not be racisim. We have found that this lifestyle is more tolerant of differences than the world in general and we are in the heart of Texas. We love black men and play with them often. Rarely have we been to a party without people of different colors and backgrounds included and accepted. There are a lot of couples here who prefer black men for threesomes (as do we).
We're sure such rejection happens, but we hope that it is indeed a rare event for you two. And if it does, just keep on looking. We bet there are more couples than you can count that would love to get to know and have fun with you both. You sound like a wonderful and fun couple! |
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We as an interracial couple do not see this as Racism. Sorry, that is just whining. We happen to be Black Female/White male. There are those who are black who have no preference for us because I am white, there are those who have no preference for us becuase she is black. Who gives a rats ass what they want or dont want. We are both old enough to know that we dont want to screw people who are not interested in us. I promise that would be the most boring sex you could get. We have been in the lifestyle for a long time. We have heard this stupid whine for years. You will find blacks, asian, latinos, mixed folks who have preferences for the own. We by the way never to mercy fucks. We have heard single men whine they cant get any, couples complain about too many men. Our only gripe is about whining, or people who think becuase we say hello we are then going to fuck them.
A racist act would be if a club didnt allow someone in becuase of their color, a choice is when two or one person chooses not to fuck you because they dont find you attractive. Believe me there are plenty of black folks that are not attracted to white women or white men, There are plenty of whites the same, asian the same. It is their right and privilege. As soon as anyone starts complaining because they cant get laid we walk away. You are both exceptionally attractive, so I doubt your missing out much on play time. No one gets laid because they are whining. |
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well we find you both super sexy and the fact that you man is black is even more of a turn on xxxxxxxxxx |
posted by KANDJ5
8/20/2006 5:17:00 PM |
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Like elsewhere, many people in our "community" are shallow, selfish, and insecure. It's not much different just because a PART of your mind is open enough to enjoy sex in a more open fashion. There are plenty of folks who DON'T evaluate people based upon skin tone. Filtering out and avoiding the buffoons who do is made easier by their flaunting their racial issues. It makes sharing and enjoying sexual delights with those who celebrate our diverse backgrounds that much more delightful, no? |
posted by ARDENT1
8/20/2006 10:21:00 AM |
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I must say I agree with some of the responses indicating that there is a vast difference between racism and preference...Being from a hick town in the midwest, I have seen both in their extremes first hand...We all have preferences in this lifestyle and not being chosen buy everyone in it is simply part of the lifestyle...For example, I prefer not to be with really large girls or girls that can find a razor or waxing salon...(Exception: After required amount of alcohol, it doesn't matter, everyone starts to look the same LOL). I am not prejudice toward them as I will still party with them etc., I just may not play with them sexually...Do I feel segregated by couples only seeking black males as a number of couples on here indicate as such? No, I just party with the ones who are attracted to what I have to offer...This lifestyle is probably 65-70% rejection for single guys and maybe a little less for couples...I have been rejected for being too short, too white, too Democrat, too fat, too young, too old, too poor, too vanilla, too straight, too shaved, too ugly (I'm guessing now) and many more (toos) to count I'm sure...I just try to be me and nothing more..That is usually enough...Not good on the self esteem to fret over the people who are not attracted to me. I just try to have a blast with the ones who do! BTW - Love girls any darker than white, always a treat! (Hell, as hot as your "baby" is, I'll do him! LOL) Have fun and Happy Hunting! Remember: "If it ain't fun, why do it?" |
posted by Unknown
8/19/2006 9:04:00 PM |
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Okay, enough of the condescending comments from the Dutch! One question: Is the legal age of consent still 12 years old in your country?!!!! I suppose you would consider that situation a result of advancement in culture, education etc... here we consider it a crime. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. No one is perfect including you so don't knock the Americans. |
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No idea why - you both look stunning - come on over. Alex and Sarah xxxxx |
posted by 2SINNERS
8/14/2006 11:49:00 AM |
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:-) It must be an US thing. We have no problems at all with it, neither of us we mean. I guess that counts for more of the Dutch SDC community. But as all other encounters on SDC, it is off course also an issue of mutual attraction Could it be that in general cultural, sexual and educational life in the US has not really developed itself over the pas decades... :-) Have Funz |
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I think you are reading way too much into it... why dont you try being a single male on this site then you can bitch and moan about people not wanting to see you because of your skin color. Now are you as open as you would like to have others be open to you? In this site people know what they want and they know what they dont want and some simply dont want african american men, but there are other couples which will see only african american men/women/couples... so why dont you just try finding those couples and have fun... life is too short... HAVE FUN |
posted by Unknown
8/9/2006 1:03:00 PM |
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To be honest with you people still suck and will always suck when it comes to being interracial. A few months ago I was on a date at Hard Rock with one of my girls that is Jamaican and I do not think we walked more than 10 feet at a time without being looked at weird. I thought I had a booger or a third arm the way people were looking at us. 3ike I say some people not all are so narrow minded and they are the one's missing out on having fun with you guys. The other ting is you are gorgeous and he is cock dee. Very well built good looking male and some men might not feel man enough around you guys cause he is ripped. Well I hope in the future to meet you guys. Tequila and shooters for me. Don't waist time on the bad one's. Enjoy the good. Life is to short. Alex |
posted by Unknown
8/9/2006 8:32:00 AM |
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Hey there! For sure the inside is important but... as far as we are concerned, your outside is greatly luscious too! People saying no to interracial sex forget that human specie is a result of inter-loving. All of us are African!! Just read Anthropology, for God sake! And finally, we are waiting that day playing with you with a pleasurable anxiety!
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posted by LOUPIER
8/9/2006 8:02:00 AM |
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"WE WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU" and youre so right about the fact that the most important thing is the "inside" of a person... so if youre in the Netherlands....and if you want to meet us..... We are ready to "RUMBLE" Explicit image available, join sdc.com to view xxx Carola & Gert |
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kindred spirits instead of boring eceryone with your flawed arguements why not mail us directly. what flaws i can hear, firstly equating racism with slavery. through out history it has not only been africans enslaved or even people of colour enslaved slavery is not a rascist thing its an economic factor. AS for your bias comment me thinks its the pot calling the kettle black |
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hi there!! me and my man also have a different colour but for most woman and man dont have a problem with that (verry happy for that) and for the few who have a problem tooooo bad i dont care so if you have contact with people who can't see further then the coulor( what is a shame, and black IS beautiful by the way!!) egnore them we have a SPECIAL friend from holland (intimate see validation) and we have dated with him and people from other origines and we can all say it was a perfect cocktail!! kisses from belgium |
posted by DIVA
8/8/2006 11:53:00 PM |
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You've got to be kidding me! You can see comments all over this site as to "no white guys" or "no Latinos" or "no fatties" it's nothing personal for the most part. Most people would love to be 1/2 as hot as you guys. So MMUUAAA!! "baby crying" LOL!! Relax and enjoy the hot people that do want to be with you. |
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When does preference become prejudice? To me, a preference is a positive for the person holding it as well as for the object of that preference. A prejudice is a negative in regards to the one it is against; negative bad, positive good. He finds blondes attractive. He is not attracted to you simply because you are a brunette. Rather his ex-wife was a brunette or it was a mean teacher in school, a prejudice against an individual has been formed without consideration for THE person. Yes, the inference is there that if you are a brunette, he is not AS attracted to you. But, one conveys an attitude of prejudice the other of preference. Not being attracted to someone is not prejudice; they just don't do it for you. Rejection isn't racism, but it can be if done with an air of intolerance simply because of someone's ethnicity. "Harm none. Do what thou wilt." Author unknown |
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We are a biracial couple, husband is an asian ,black & white mix. I think some people just don't get how hot that truly is. Exploring, in detail, someone of another race is exquisite ,if some people dont get it, it is their loss.
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Just so that we are all clear on the subject the definition below is the standard and we clearly do not have this going on here. If we do someone enlighten me as I have been in the lifestyle a good many years and have yet to feel as such. Its a shame that when someone does not get something or in this case someone, its due to ones color or nationality worse yet - racism. All of us have refused someone even though we were clearly their choice. Think about it..... Enjoy Definition of racismRacism is defined as meaning the predication of decisions and policies on considerations of race for the purpose of subordinating a racial group and maintaining control over that group. Racism is both overt and covert. It takes two, closely related forms: individuals acting against other individuals, and acts by a total community against another community. These are called individual and instituitonal racism. First consists of overt acts by individuals, which cause death, injury or the violent destruction of property. This type can be recorded by TV' it can frequently be observed in the process of commission. The second type is less overt, far more subtle, less identifiable in terms of specific individuals committing the acts. But it is no less destructive of human life. The second type originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than the first type. |
posted by SBPFLA
8/8/2006 11:52:00 AM |
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I am going to speak out of complete ignorance, because I am a white guy married to a white girl. I am not denying the fact that there are racist that live all over the world. BUT is every time the IR couple rejected racism? My wife and I have an agreement we never "take one for the team." In other words, if every one is not mutually attracted to everyone else. it's not going to happen. Let me preface this by saying that we are not out to sex everyone we meet. Recently we were in group setting and there was one IR couple, my wife and I were not keeping tabs on each other the whole night, so later when we were comparing notes, neither one of us had played with either in that couple. Not because he was black, but because we didn't know them. He is a good looking guy and she was a hottie as well. We have mutual friends with this particular couple and I know that our paths will cross again and the story may have a different ending. My point is rejection is not always racism. Me personally I have tasted all the colors of the rainbow, don't knock it till you try it. |
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We have run across that!! Where the men wanna fuck me but they are not willing to let my Hunny Bunny fuck the wife... WTF? I love my folks... but most of the time that we run across that situation the man is Latin...LOL!! I guess its a Macho Thing... Or maybe the fear of "Once you go black, you never go back" lmao!!! Explicit image available, join sdc.com to view But that is alright with me... Give me a couple anyday where the man is black... If others feel just a tad bit insecure about their wee wees (lol) then that is their problem... Not ours... We prefer to hang out with folks that are sure of who they are...and are comfertable at every level... Drew & Indy |
posted by Unknown
8/8/2006 1:26:00 AM |
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We are an IR couple from Texas, as sad as it is to say there is racism everywhere, here in the USA, as well as in the Europe and other places around the world. We have been lucky enough to meet couples that have accepted us for who and what we are. The best way to fight racism is to hold your head up and move on. Getting angry only helps to fuel the other sides views of stereotypeing. As the world gets older, we feel racism is becoming smaller and smaller, WE (the human race) are becoming more accepting of our brothers and sisters no matter what color or race. It is what is on the inside that makes a person unique, not the color of ones skin. We feel everyone has the ability to make something of themself. Good luck, you guys are an attractive couple and should have tons of emails from people who do want to meet you guys. Thanks for letting us stand on the soap box. Derrick and Kasey |
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Shiiiiiiiiiiit bring him over to my house...I think he's HOT....!!! I have the same problem too girl,, don't sweat it, white men are just intimidated by the mandingo men that are out there... And why doesn't anyone bother to check the proper spelling of words before responding to blogs...really people...let's take an extra moment and use Microsoft word...u can type it in there and then paste it in here....Explicit image available, join sdc.com to view |
posted by JUSTUSD
8/7/2006 7:37:00 PM |
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In my time in this world I have received a good understanding in the difference in people......There are people that understands the reality of life....There is a certain makeup in life that applies to all......In one of the most important factors in life, is that a person has an Identity of..... WHO THEY ARE AS A PERSON..... This seems very simple, but in reality its one of the most difficult thing to achive......We have so many things in this life that decieve us and led us down the path of the unknowing.......And the scary part of it all is that most of us are Scared to Follow the Path of the Knowing, because we are scared of Who We Are as a Person(Our own Identify) To get a better understanding of this: Some of us as a people create a false Identity of who we are to give a portrait of who we want people to think that we are. Some are blinded by...TV/Movies/Magazines/and the root of all evil Money. In this world some people have to feel like they are better then others for them to have a since of pride about themselves. A person has to feel that they can belittle a person to have a feeling of power . Or to Down Grade or Judge another Race because they are ashamed of WHO THEY ARE AS A PERSON.. For a person to be able to stand on there on two feet and walk with the self knowledge of Who they are...Is the biggest gift that you can give your self. It's a gift that will allow you to be able to stand out in a crowd and led your own decision. A gift so loving that you can love your fellow brother because he/she is a person and not because the color of there skin or the difference in the clothes that they wear, or the money that this person has achieved. A gift so great that when you look at the refection of yourself in the mirror, you are proud of that person staring back at you knowing that the person in the mirror is righteous and humble and strong minded....Because that's what God wanted us to Be... So I say to all my friends Be Strong and Proud of Who you Are ....And Let NO Man or Women take your Identity away from you...... Antonio/Flababyboy
And to My Peoples Flavor.........You Know How We Do.......People like that Just makes us Rise to the Occasion that much More.......And when we Rise.....Dawg we Rise....... |
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this is some serius BS I HAVE SEEN BLACK GUYS HAVE THE DOUBLE FUN IN THE LIFE STYLE THAN ANY OTHER SINGLE O COUPLE GUYS FROM ANY OTHER RACE, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID THIS IS ABOUT EXPERIMENT NEW THINGS AND MEETING NEW PEOPLE AND SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT MORBO SO THAT IS SO WRONG............. FUCK I WHISH I WAS BLACK SO I CAN HAVE A 8+ DICK AND DON`T DEPEND OF MY WYFE PERIOD TO PLAY |
posted by DUOSEXY
8/7/2006 4:58:00 PM |
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SBPFLA you are right! In this case it is about preference and not a segue into other things. Now that that's all fgured out let's all have some fun! |
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Talk about folks just taking something and running with it. Mention color and its all about racism, black this and white this. This lifestyle is not an 'experiment' or for folks to experience new things or meeting different cultures' per say. The lifestyle is about fantasy fulfillment but its simplier than that as well, ones sexual interest or desire. Nothing to do with racism or color just about someones' PERFERENCE either couple, single female or male. Come on folks lets be real. Rejection is ugly but it happens just cannot take it personal. Cause when you do, we always look for an excuse or a reason when its simple, PERFERENCE and how can you hold that against someone. As we all have rejected someone, right!.. But, this is just my opinion and how say you...... |
posted by SBPFLA
8/7/2006 2:15:00 PM |
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Bagging on this country the USA and trying to demonize all Americans as racist is not going to fly. Let's remember that it was the Dutch and English that began bringing African slaves to this country and elsewhere. The problems and issues that Americans of all races deal with are the remnants of that initial cause made hundreds of years ago by Europeans! Americans, black and white were born into this situation and it is going to take more than potshots and unconstructive criticism from our cousins across the pond to change it. The culpability for racism is on both whites AND blacks in this country. The fact that some Europeans do not recognize that shows how very little you know or understand. Having interracial sex is a long way off from the races resolving issues we deal with in all other parts of life. |
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hmmmmm, well, we started the whole racism is "Only in America" towards the beginning of this specific forum. The reason we proclaim that is because thats the only place we've experienced it first hand...no other place...but just because we ran into it only the U.S does not mean, (just our word alone) doesnt mean it is not elsewhere in the world..People are supposed to be talking just their real life experiences and not pushing on anyone that their statement is a true FACT or fiction, and just because they say this or that, then does it mean that a certain place is the way it is where you are from or been. Lots of comments, back and forth, some mis-read, some misunderstood, and a lot of replys back and forth to one another without really addressing the couple who started this particular forum...Just because one says they never experienced racism in the UK, when we read it does not translate to mean there is no racism in the UK...it just simple means the couple themselves hadnt experienced it in UK. To the couple who started this forum, yes, we have experienced first hand your issue and so have alot of other IR couples too we have met and befriended in different parts of the U.S. only, and as far as our experiences, we never heard of the issue in any other Countries as far as IR. That's why we suggested trying other places outside of the U.S or exotic couples, Belize, Guyana, Puerto Rican, hispanic, latin, a few asians, and mostly older white couples, mainly the female half, and most of those around military communities/bigger cities, some couples (not all) who are not born and raised in the U.S. Areas such as Florida, California, Hawaii, and New York for instance...That's basically pointing out our successes in a nutshell, by no means all inclusive and meant to fit every couple on SDC, locally or internationally. Being bald, fat, old, tall or short wasnt the issue we feel;-guess there is no ",,,isms" to fit those, merely preferences...simple as that...but for IR couples who get told, sorry , but the issue is your hubby is african american, can easily be read or felt as a racism issue, and not just simply a preference...yes it is a preference, but it is because of being racists, that the particular preference exists in most couples, NOT ALL couples, who say "hey, we like what we see but your hubby is african american"..So, we are speaking solely from our real life experiences...disclaimer...our experiences doesnt fit everyone elses...so no need to try and refute or disagree with what we have dealt with because you didnt read all our emails and you were not physically present to hear or intepret our conversations, notwithstanding, all the places we have been over the years...Racism came out in forum because it was said they were interested, but then had an issue with the african american hubby and yet hadnt even met yet, just viewed the pics and that's it. |
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Being a true naturist before ever thinking about swinging it was nice to be around people who did not judge others in the least no matter what. We started swinging to expand our friendships and thought swingers would be the same but are surprised at the way we are judged by others in the lifestyle. So get used to the reaction of being a mixed couple and just remember to treat those that are accepting of it that much better when playing. We have met some wonderful people in this lifestyle that realize you don`t judge a book by its cover and will continue to search out even more like minded adults. Now can we all just get along and respect each others thoughts and feelings. |
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Glazer: I was alluding to the same thing that others have said. You simply have an anti-US bias, exhibited by your comments on this blog and by a larger example by the "Reds" "fans" after purchase. I was saying how foolish it is to judge someone before you give them a chance; race, sex, or country of origin. I didn't say Euros "hate". I simply refuted your negative comment about it not being a problem in the UK, just US, by pointing out cases where it has been a problem in Europe and back up my comments about being a "World problem". I didn't say Europeans are racist. I think I called it being Geographicist. Voting. majority rules. minority voted for the loser. minority = unheard voice. US Population: 281,421,906 UK Population: 60,441,457 Bush - Popular Vote: 62,028,285 Kerry - Popular Vote: 59,028,109 First off, this means that 160 million plus people just didn't give a shit. It also means that almost as many people are not in support of Bush, disagree with policies and made the effort to vote against him, as live in your country. How can you pass judgment on an entire country as you did with the comment about New Orleans based on that information? I apologize for even responding to it now though, since it has dragged off topic, but to say that racism is only a US problem, US isn't doing anything about racism
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kindred spirit I really wish you would read and not fill in your own perceptions. And if the glazers have anything to do with the topic I can't see it. for your information the arguement wasn't about being american it was about putting the club into such a huge debt situation. And the fans would have been in up roar about anyone coming in and taking over just as they were agianst sky television trying to take over previously. Go on tell us you were at the incidents so you know word for word what was said and done. Said before that the human race is genetically programmed to be rascist. how that is handled is a personal matter we have a black nigerian family living next door to us and we get on well together so please don't start trying to say that we hate non whites you will also find we have been validated by and indian couple and not just for meeting either. However did you bother reading the profile in of flavor we did and very off putting it was attitude wise so just perhaps the point was made for a reason. You also find people make excuses for their shortfalls in trying to see others at fault and our comment about throwing stones was in retaliation for calling europeans racists. And just who votes in these republican governments |
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I know that there are people that will not play with black men because they are racist and believe that black Americans are some kind of subhuman species. However, to place in that category all people that choose not to swing with a black person is an injustice. For instance, anyone that knows me is fully aware that I will denounce you if you have any derogatory statements to say about any race! On the other hand, although I have slept with a few black women, typically I am not attracted to black women. I certainly never eliminate a woman because she is black, but, historically, I have not been turned on by black women. I don't wish to understand why, but I know it is not because of their skin colour or their potential cultural differences. It is a feature thing, and not a cultural thing. And, many black women have features that I don't find hot. Also, no black woman has ever given written me an email on this site expressing interest! However, my wife finds many black men delicious! She will play with a sexy black man whenever she gets a chance! Honestly, it does not matter or occur to me what his race is. There have been women that have rejected me because they don't like bald men (intentional or natural causes). In this case, if baldness could be attributed to race, it would be considered racism. I am sure there are many other of my features that women find unattractive, but I don't have a platform on which to hang that kind of rejection. There is already too much racism in this world. We have to be careful not to classify as racist more behavior than is really there. And, in the end, blatant racism is alot less dangerous and hurtful than subtle racism from people that do not appear to be racist. For instance, not getting a job because of your race is more damaging than being called a derogatory name. By the way, I find it interesting that there were a few European blogs claiming that racism is more of an issue in the US than in Europe. While this is true regarding racism towards black people, racism is just as rampid in Europe! During my four years living in Europe, I found that the way Turkish people were treated is very similar to the way blacks are treated in the US. They are seen as a dirty subculture of people. In fact, in Holland and Germany, the word "Turk" is a derogatory term much like "Mexican" has a derogatory connotation in the southern parts of the US. There is alot of ugly history between whites and blacks in America. Racism comes from hate and anger. Anger is derived from a perceived personal loss caused by the subject of the anger. How can you feel hate toward a group that you don't perceive caused you any loss (such as black people in Europe)? How fond are Dutch people of Germans? Does the term "Viese Moffe" come to mind? There is a reason why there are fences separating fans at international European soccer events. It is the natural tendency of humans to gather with people who they understand and by whom they feel accepted. That is why prostitutes don't have lunch with nuns and heroin addicts don't drop by the house of a teetotaler. Ignorance of others causes these gaps to widen, because our misperceptions support our misconceptions. Racist beliefs are strengthened this way. We reme |
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Hi Everyone, some very interesting comments here, (male) mixed races orginally from Trinidad and (female) black from the US. I thin I've heard different perspectives, I've talked to guys that think black women only want black men, and actually feel intimidated to approach black women. When they ask about approaching my wife I think it's funny because in actuallity she's not really attracted to black men and prefers other races, but on the occassion she will say that a guy looks good. For me I could care less what colour a persons skin is, if you look good to me then that's the end of it, guys can say what they want but behind closed doors they wouldn't turn down a Tyra Banks. Most people can't figure out where I'm from or my ethnicity just by looking at me so I'm not sure if that's a deterrant or not. I am mixed with Portuguese, French, Indian & Black so from my experience people see what they want to see. i've been asked am I indian, am I Spanish, etc... so until you speak to me and get to know you you'll never really know me, and in this day and age if we are still judging people by their skin, then we're still going backwards, especially in a lifestyle that is all about being 'Open Minded'. My wife and I always get to know people first we are both military and we meet people of every nationality, race and culture and work along side them with no problems and in the lifestyle it should be the same way, we are all in this group together so what's the problem?? That's how we indentify each other in the swingers army vs the traditional relationships and we are judged just for being in this lifestyle sometimes. Bottom line your eyes can only take you so far, and if it's 'all about chemistry' as most say, then get to kow people and if you're not attracted then ok, everyone has their type but at least you can make new friends no matter what colour they are. Raymond & Lillian |
posted by AMITAF
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It terrible and unfortunate that you have encountered "a lot" of couples that have exhibited their petty prejudices towards you and your partner. So far we have been spared the displeasure of meeting these small minds. We have come across many profiles where the couple state clearly that they are not interested in meeting blacks; we also got a response from one couple we contacted that they were not comfortable with meeting an IR couple. To those couples I say thanks for the honesty and we respect their choice. But we would be really pissed off at anyone who tried to play with one of us while ignoring the other because of race.
So as a couple who share your IR situation we say, to the best of your ability save yourself the displeasure of exposing yourself to people with these biases. Usually their prejudices come out soon after you meet them. When that happens tell them to get the hell out of dodge.
Here's to meeting fun, openminded people that we know share our values before we allow them to share our bodies.
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We're sorry to read that you've come up against this issue. Indeed, the lifestyle is about exploration of a sexual fantasy worldand not about race. At the same time, you have to consider thatsometimes you're not going to be someone else's (or another couple's)fantasy and that may not necessarily be about race orattractiveness. There are plenty of good people out thereto enjoy this with, so no need to dwell on those that have aproblem with you.
As for those of other countries using this as an opportunity tobroadcast your disdain of American culture, racism goes well beyond theboundaries of the US. I'll be the first to admit that we have ourown faults, however aren't some of your reactions just a channelling ofyour hatred of the US?
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Interesting perceptions and comments. I agree personally that if you get to know someone, color and other initial factors become much less important if they were ever important in the first place. But maybe it really is an issue of personal preference and not racism as some people seem to think. I am not denying that for some, race is a factor but just like some people like tatoos and some don't, or how clean cut a couple is or not. I am the male in the relationship and I do not have a problem if my wife was with a black man but it is not her preference. She is not initially or otherwise physically attracted to black men. There are white women and couples on here that will only be with black men. I suppose they don't like white men which are their own race. Who knows? To each his own. |
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This is sounding like the majority of people chose not to get invovled with IR couples which is not true.There is only a minority that chooses to stay away from ir ,or even couples that are not white. What you are passing off as racists is only a preference for a small portion of people. The same holds true and may even be greater against bi sexual males. Preferences for bi women,straight women passive bi ,golden shower couples or whatever label anyone wishes to put out there, some will not want to experiment outside of what they are comfortable with, no matter what the reason. Hell in this site there is a couple where he is hispanic ,she is asian who say they do not want ir couples.What are they? Sure you will find racists in here lets not limit them only to being racists. They are small minded and will hold something against people a little over weight,to tall to short, not enough education to much education.We encounter people who are timid or afraid due to Suzys height or big boned structure.Once they find out that she is a caring, giving, bright,sexy ,creative person it has been amazing what lengths people go to in order to try and bed her down.But again its the problem of soemone holding something against another for fear of the unknown such as NOT being able to be in control. I am quite positive that you find more of this kind of BS outside of swinging then inside of it.We vacationed in Florida 10 years prior to moving here, where even in the 90's people of color in Sarasota were not alloud inside of restaurants, ice cream parlors etc. We commend you for being open minded and wanting others to share in your open mindness.In a perfect world they would without a 2nd thought.So many really do not know what they are missing out on to top it off they really do not care what they are missing out on. Keep in mind those that you have said no way no how , when they have approached you to play. Remember what your reasons were. Were they to large,not pretty enough,looked as if they were shopping to go to wallmart, to skinny. If your answer is ,its a preference....... |
posted by EXPO969
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Wow... just realized you are from Manchester Julie. Let me ask you, are they still wearing black jerseys and/or boycotting the "Reds" because of their new US controlling interests without even a chance to prove himself? I mean, he did bring a NFL championship to the last team he purchased, but, then again, he IS an American, so deserves to be reviled in the Premiership I'm sure. People should be judged on their own personal merits. Not by the color of their skin, hair, geographic location or country of origin. |
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Julie, she wasn't talking about turn-ons. She was speaking about people who express an interest in her and then balk after seeing that her partner is black. Very simple and nothing to do with their profile. "Oh HEllO there pretty lady. We would like to shag you silly. " "Sounds like some good criek to me. Let me introduce you to my husband.here he comes." "Oh, uhm. uhhh.never mind, we don't do the jungle fever thing." Now, if they take the time to get to know him/them and he's an ass, well, that's a different story. ;) But, yes, anyone can learn to be a racist. It's one of those early childhood things that you notice that "makes you different from me" and, in some cases, can be used as a means to push someone down, pick on and bully them. If left unchecked that attitude can metastasize into full blown racism or bigotry of other kinds; sexism - because you are a girl and I'm a boy, elitism - because I have money and you don't etc. I don't recall throwing any stones besides the one's concerning racism being a World problem, not just a US problem. Seems you are the one throwing stones by implying that because the Government, FEMA, Bush, whomever failed in their duty to respond to a crises in New Orleans and further that they hold positions of power in the US that everyone feels the same way they do. That would be like making the blanket statement that all Iraqis agreed with Saddam Hussein, or all Germans with Hitler or Cubans with Castro. it's just not true. "Europeans don't look at the color of the skin"? Then why have Zidan and Henry been such poster children for the struggle against racial tensions and divisions in France. Skin Heads are a European creation as well. Not to mention a little place called Kosovo.
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I think u'll find its called competition (i.e. they dont want ne:) |
posted by OLDBUOY
8/5/2006 8:24:00 AM |
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what is all this rubbish isn't it, we shag who wants to shag us isn't it up persoanl choice as to what turns you on. perhaps if you looked at your own profile attitude then you would figure out why so many people avoid you. Its all about the perfect people you want and not what you would give back. As for rascism we are all rascist, its a genetic memory form all cultures as for wheres more rascist than the next an american should not thow stones in his glass house, especailly when argueing against people who actually try to do something about it. Europeans don't look at the colour of the skin when rescuing people in distress unlike new orleans. |
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I'm sure you are right Sunlovers. It never happens in UK only happens in US where everyone is a bigoted racist. Oh yeah, and all Texans wear cowboy boots, ride horses and have an oil well in their front yard. What is the word for someone prejudice against someone else simply because of the country from which they come? Geographicism? *shrug* Here's a thought. Seeing as you are from UK, I assume, since it is the most popular sport in the rest of the world besides US, that you watched the World Cup. If racism is such a US problem, then why was the theme of the Cup "Say no to racism."? It's a World problem. |
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yes KINDREDSPIRITS, those profiles that you mention with the IR "action" pics do send a clear and appreciated message indeed. For us, seems we are more drawn to those, ..less chances for rejection is the thought process...but oh well, no one likes rejection, and it helps to notice the couples in their profile that validated them too, for they may not have any IR issues. However, when you are specifically told it's because of the african american hubby, then that is not an assumption, that's simply us as well as other IR couples hearing or reading the reason why in a reply. Luckily some couples are forthcoming about it, which is appreciated as well, as far as the honesty is concerned. In America, it seems it is more of a problem, not a problem everywhere in America of course, but NOTHING in the lifestyle is everywehere - especially not too bad it seems in places such as Florida, California, and New York, judging by the SDC profiles we've surfed, also reading and understanding all the validation comments. |
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Here in the UK we have NEVER heard of anyone being 'snubed' because of colour or race. Just the opposite seems to be true.......a lot of girls like the idea of a coloured guy so it may just be in the USA? |
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Call us any time we never notice color other that for the erotic effect it adds to the view. For us it's the variety that keeps things interesting. If we wanted the same thing all the time we would just do each other (wait been there done that). As long as the parts fit and we are all smiling why not. |
posted by TRYUS
8/4/2006 6:41:00 PM |
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OK...I think I have to opine here. For the record, WE LOVE BLACK MEN, and we love to play with black men (feel free to write us!!!)! But I think the USA is getting a bum rap here (I say this as a former West Coast person...I have never lived in the South/Florida). I belong to a similar site that is much more North America focused than SDC. There is a sub-group there for couples the love black men, and it has a HUGE USA following. So I don't think that it is a big problem finding play partners that like the black male experience. Now it may be that you are experiencing some rejection. It sounds to me like you are assuming that it is because your man is black. I think there could also be a lot of other reasons as well, that are totally unrelated to him being black. It happens ALL the time to other couples too, but that couple (not having a black man in it) doesn't jump to the conclusion that it must be because he is black (the non-black man is saying things like, maybe my dick is too small, or maybe I don't have a full head of hair, or maybe I'm not tall enough). I am not saying that the racial rejection you speak of isn't happening, but it may not be happening with the regularity you seem to believe is happening. Explicit image available, join sdc.com to view |
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Some things will probably never change.There will always be some who will be racists .When I was in the Marines in vietnam it didnt matter what color you were , we all wore marine green and no one screwed with your friends regadless of color. I dont know what is worse, being black or being old.I sometimes feel being |