Is it possible for a conservative Republican to be a true swinger...(I do know a few Republican swingers so obviously I'm not addressing the issue by speaking in absolutes)...However, it seems that the common thread of being conservative would seem to conflict with the extremely liberal lifestyle of a swinger or swinging couple...Not that there isn't more to being Republican or Democrat than this issue...Seems also the case when you have people who are openly gay or lesbian and are Republican...It's one thing to take sides on an issue and vote that way, it seems to be something totally different to vote in opposition to something that defines almost by literal definition who you are as a person...Many people in this country vote against their own interest without knowing so...In many states, what we do in our homes, parties, swing clubs, etc. is illegal and there are many out there who despise who we are...Remember the swing club raids in Ft. Lauderdale???  Trapeze was even burnt to the ground at one time!   I'm interested to hear how others feel politcally as swingers...If you are the twice a year type of swinger this may or may not be important to you...If you are someone that would be affected in someway if this lifestyle was outlawed tomorrow, what is your point of view?  Or, is this a silly issue and too "politically incorrect" to discuss?  

Remember...If it isn't fun, why do it?   Have fun always! 

AANDC,

i wont be offended if you post it....we may have traded jabs at each other but i dont take it personally...its usually to make a point or throw in some political humerous jabs....

therefore you have my permission...;)

I just got a great forward and wanted to share it with everybody.  Forgive me if I offend anybody.  :)  

Eh... wait... I know I'll definately offend people with this.  So I'm deleting it now.  If i can get approval from Funsun, Babysue, and that other dude with no pics, I'll post it. 

 A Message from the Ghost of General Patton....

Dude, what's your point?  Your whole post doesn't make any sense.  What should I get now, that I'm an asshole?  Because you say so?  You who isn't brave enough to put pictures on your profile? 

I don't speak five languages, I speak English and Spanish and am learning the others. 

What the hell does "to put things in perspective, consider the world like your neighborhood" mean?  Learn how to form a sensible sentence. 

 I'm not alone now, nor will I ever be.  I've got my girlfriend, our buddies and my dog.  That's all I'll ever need.  I also won't be all alone, cause the 61% people who voted Republican on this blog think mostly like me.  So I've got them and you've got the 20%.  What do I care if a bunch of foreigners don't like me or my country?  Big deal.  Its only important because libs like you make it important.  "Oh no!!! Better not make the French mad!!! They gave us a statue!!!  We have to care what they think!"  The bottom line is they'll still do business with us because its in their interest to do so. 

And what in God's name does your second paragraph mean?  I just can't figure it out. 

"Liberal" The meaning has been lost or twisted somehow. For the smart guy that says he "speaks 5, count them, 5 languages..." first off I think you're full of shit but that really doesn't matter (to me). But if you were so adept in language you would know the root of this word Liberal is Latin and it basically refere to "freedom". Liberal, liberation, etc...

So when you refer in such disparaging ways to"liberals" do you know what you're saying? I can tell you one thing. You so called conservatives are anything but "conservative". If the current administration was "conservative" they certainly would have been more careful about jumping into a war and plunging our nation into the worst national debt in the history of the world and humanity. What the hell is so conservative about that?

I can tell you one thing, all this back and forth with ideology will solve nothing. In fact radical ideology is what has gotten us and our adversaries to the point we are all at right now. What I mean is that the answer to the Islamic fundamentalist problem is not only brute force right back at them. It is also diplomacy with the rest of the modern world. So when Mr smart guy that speaks five ...count them 5 languages.. says things like "screw the Europeans" , well I wonder just how smart you really are. To put things in perspective, consider the world like your neighborhood. If you say "fuck all you neighbors if you do not see things exactly the way I see them" then you will be all alone eventually. And even when or if in the future you are right, you will still be all alone because you were an asshole. Do ya get it now?

Question here. For all the attacks and insults. What have you done to change the present condition that you believe in. Have any of you gone to any of the parties you support . To walk the talk, support your views,convince those that what your saying is right. Whether it be the republican party democratic party,the greeen party or whatever party best fits your description.Change comes from within.

My best guess that  it is much easier to  throw lame attacks either way instead of getting off the collective asses to make change.

 The question of can a conservative republican be a true swinger. Can a true Democrat be a true swinger.Who the hell knows. We can't even come up with who is a real true swinger. What constitutes a true swinger, is it the full swap ,full swap with a bifemale,full swpa both bi, soft swap no swapping of any sort. soft swap orally  playful.softswap fem to fem play. Can it be the s&mers,scat,  golden showers groups.

 The arguments in this blog depends greatly on who do you believe.Better yet what are your ethics and values . How far you can slide them to fit what you think is real.Each side has valid points to ponder. Each side needs to ponder on what the other has sad.

 You can argue that today is not Monday. Someone who reads this on Tuesday will argue that this was not Monday . Who is right who is wrong.It happened to be Monday that I wrote this.Not always black and white . Get used to the grey or gray area, thats where most things happen.

 Is the war right, yes. Is the war being fought right, no.Fighting the war right means being able to throw values ,morals out the door. You have to fight war  to win.

 Ask the Brits, we fought and won our right and rights  with them .It was thier Vietnam War. A war that could not be won.It will always be the perception of those standing on either side of the street

It is sad that Babysue and TexxSexx both defend leaders that had done genocide to their own people and critizen leaders that come to aid people whose human rights are being violated. Since the UN has lots of dictatorships in it, they will not come to their aid. To say Bush lied is wrong. To say the intelligence was wrong is correct. This is a classic case of shot the messenger. All major governments of the world said Saddam had WMDs and that he was trying to get nuclear weapons. Even Saddam said he had them and will use them. So I would guess Saddam lied. Can you say that? Did papers make a big deal about the mustard gas or the sarin gas found in Iraq? Even the UN was surprise to hear this even with all of their inspections. So you two can do all the personal attacks against "us" all you want. It doesn't help your arguements. Please use as much facts as you can to defend your statements or why Saddam should have be left in power. As of it being Bosnia or Serbia, take it up with the news. They use both names and mainly use Bosnia. Please let me know when the Army had bombers. I always thought it was the Air Force. If you meant the Air Force, then it was a honest mistake. No one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes.

As far as Iraq being a breeding ground for terrorist. It's true that more terrorist are heading to Iraq. Better there were we can kill them, then here were Liberals want to give them more rights then a US citizen and put them on trail.

TexxSexx, I'm glad you live somewhere you are happy and proud to call home.

I know it is pointless insanity - but Aggiedude is just another example of "them" vs "us" and of course - "they" are the one's with FACTS and reason and we're just a bunch of terrorist-loving hippy liberals.... I'd laugh if it wasn't at its very core&heart sad and sickening to the stomach!

The "facts" you mention, my dear misguided Aggiedude, are wrong from the get-go: It was SERBIA (aka rest Yugoslavia) that Clinton (in alliance with the rest of Europe) attacked back in the early/mid 90's... Yes, they carpetbombed parts of Serbia (and serbian parts of Bosnia), yes, since it was the US Army, it was done in a sickening way and yes, they used ammo that makes cigarettes apear  nutritinal  (leadfilled and halway glowing - it had effects both on the US troops and the civil population. So before you claim toknow anything and instead just again use half-assed facts to play the us vs them game...

Guess what? I opposed the war on Yugosslavia just as I opposed the war on Iraq. All part of the American Empire and dispicable from start to finish. I am one of the sad few who check the either column and choose not to choose a side of this formerly democratic system. When are y'all going to realize that what once was a free country is in the process of being transformed into something quite different from that... the writings have been and currently are clearly on the walls...

For one in the tone at which war opponents, freedom-lovers and everybody who diasgrees with this ugly empire is presented, insulted, mocked and spat at. Dissident voices are being muffled, ridiculed and blocked out. You find more "news" and political interna on this country in pretty much every foreign newspaper and media outlet than in the domestic media corporations..Boy, don't get me started, I have a list of endless examples!!

Let me use a metaphor that every US citizen, regardless of their educational or socio-economic background, should understand: THOSE OF YOU WHO STILL SUPPORT ALL THIS - you are basically Darth Vader's cheerleaders. Get it?? Empire? Why don't you try to join the rest of the world, what makes yo think you are soo much better and freer than everybody else?? But coming out of A&M?? Boy, we are talking about a major crashcourse in brainwashing here...

I find life in Europe considerably less invasive, less police state like and yes- much more free. Why am I her, lemme answer that before giving y'all a cheap shot: personal reasons and yes, i once was thankful for what this country meant, what it stood for. It is sad that a foreigner must bring it to your attention that this here stinks from the head as well as from the bottom...I have seen opressive systems firsthand and I know when I see the symptoms in a society.

One last thing: If it really isn't below your dignity (if you care to have some) to make fun of my writing, my syntax or my spelling: I am operating in my third language here. So, lil "oh-so-worldly" Dallas kid: If you have to say someting, lemme hear it in a language of your choice..(sorry, Klingon won't be accepted!!)

Dear Aggie,

Sadam did not bomb the world trade center.....the terrorist were not in Iraq...there were no wmd....we INVADED A COUNTRY WITH NO TIES TO TERRORIST. (NOW its a breeding ground for terrorist.)

we only have 20,000 troups in a country that DID bomb the world trade center....His administration is a liar....and it still seems to convince people like you that we did the right thing....

We should have gone after Al Queda in afganistan and spent the money there..not in Iraq and not doing Irans work by getting rid of Sadam. (Iran must be loving the stupidity of your president.....we did his dirty work...)

obviously you have not read a single newspaper since 05...if you had then you would know that there were no terrorist links to Sadam...There has been a full report released by the CIA.

Crawl out from under the rock you must have been in for the last 2yrs. Open your eyes...ears....and educate yourself....please!

It is funny to see who is calling names here and posting false facts and to which party they belong. This party is suppose to be the intelligent, tolerant party. The ones that are not calling names and posting facts are suppose to belong to the narrow minded, stupid party.

If you look at the history of the terrorist's attacks against the US around the world, you will find that all the administrations have failed to response with force...till now. That was because of the attacks of 9/11. Now you will have some people claiming that it was a setup to go to war. Those same people will also say that Bush did nothing before 9/11 to find Bin Laden or that he didn't take terrorist seriously. So if he didn't take terrorist seriously, why blow up the trade center? To attack a country where the leader committed genocide against his own people? Clinton did it to Bosnia defying the UN. (Bush criticize him for it, just as Clinton criticize Bush for Iraq and defying the UN.) One difference is that Clinton carpet bomb that country, killing more citizens in the process then we are killing in Iraq. There was no outcry from the news or the world about civilian population being killed in Bosnia by the US.

Also Clinton said that the people critizing him now are the same ones that would not let him - the President, the commander in chief - go after Bin Laden, even though the federal courts had a warrant out for Bin Laden and Bin Laden declared war on the US. This means that Clinton could use whatever means necessary to bring Bin Laden to justice or ask Congress to declare war on Bin Laden and his terrorists. Well, if the Republicians were the ones that didn't want to go after Bin Laden before 9/11, then why is it that the Democrats do not want to support the Republicians and Bush now that they are "on board" with fighting terrorisms?

We are in Iraq whether you like it or not. Do we set a timetable for withdraw like we did with Vietnam? Do you remember the Fall of Saigon? The Democrats warn of this being another Vietnam, well they are doing their best to make it so. Just like the 60s they are protesting the war even if it was the right thing to do (stop the spread of communism and put in a democratic governement in South Vietnam). Communism didn't spread to the neighboring conutries. North Vietnam did conquer the South despite a peace agreement. The North only wanted peace by conquer just as the extremist Islamic terrorist believe. We lost the Vietnam war because we were not united as a country. We could lose the war against terrorist if we do not unite. We can lose the Iraq conflict if we do not unite as a country. We have taken the fight to the terrorist, on their on ground. No one said war was easy. It is an ugly thing. We have the best military in the world. We have fought wars with less then what we have now and won. We live in the greatest country in the world. We are free to speak our political differences despite our sex, race, etc. If we lived in the Middle East, would we be free to speak our mind? Would we have this swinging lifestyle? We can disagree on how to solve our country's problems...we should agree that we have to fight terrorisms wherever they are.

"Favor is spelled without a "u" by the way.  Atleast in places where it matters."

You give yourself away with that line.   2 words for you: Ugly American

Come to the think of it - that pretty aptly describes Bush and company as well.

Dear Callie,

Thank you for the compliment...(exasperating) however i must say you are as well....

How can you be ok with an administration that lied us into war? How can you be ok with record debt (8.37 trillion)? How can you be ok with a bill that ok's torture and where almost every general has claimed it would put our soldiers in jeopardy? How can you be ok with tax cuts to the super wealthy while the poor gets squeezed at every turn. How can you support an administration that has failed at every turn and has not put forth a single piece of legislation that helps the adverage Joe?

Health care is a joke.....

We have a military that is out dated and spread too thin. We can't take care of any real threats because we are bogged down in a war we cannot win and we were brought there for personal gain of the Bush administration.
The polls out this weekend show Bush at his lowest point to date 33%.

He has put us in a black hole of debt and issolated us from other European countries. We need their support. We need to be taken seriously as a leader and not a joke...if you were to watch the news overseas and see what we have done to the Iraqi civilians you would be horrified! We have killed over 100,000 innocent people...! NOW we have their family members out for our heads and they in turn have become insurgents.

THERE ARE NO WMD IN IRAQ AND THE ADMINITRATION LIED US INTO BELIEVEING THERE WERE.....There was no link to 911 yet we are in Iraq and now the Taliban is reorganizing in Afganistan because we never finished the job! He used it as an excuse and now pulled us AWAY from the real terrorist and put us in a battle over oil and a personal vendetta...How can you be ok with this...????

i am exasperated with you!!! hahaha...

Speaking of a nude debate..i already have a bet at my office. Loser has to run down Copans Rd. in their underwear or bikinni (thats me if i lose)

we might need a police interference if we debate on the beach.....we may end up throwing sunscreen at each other...! hahahha

whew...this wore me out...i am taking my exasperated self to bed...

good night to all my bible thumping conservative republican (queers) and my 'make love not war liberals...'

sweet dreams,

Babysue

"Oh, right, we only count those parts of history that favor our less than narrowminded view. Only one favour please, since talking to you will remain pointless: Change that line anout being "openminded" in your profile - you have aptly demonstrated the opposite in this blog. And since even that comment from that sweet former republican lady did not make reevalue things...bye."

The current European countries do owe their existence to us by American Actions from 1941-1945.  That's a fact.  We may have been a European colony 230 years ago, but I'm talking more recently.  America is older as a nation than Germany, Italy, Poland, Greece, and several other European nations, by the way. 

I'm totally openminded.  I've listened to personal one insult after another on this blog, and taken them with a smile.  I listen to all the negative things said about my country and my people; I just don't agree with them.  Being openminded means you're willing to listen to and analyze the opinions of others.  It doesn't mean you have to be influenced by them.  I listened to FUNSUN and Babysue and everyone else, but that doesn't mean I agree with them.  Maybe you're the one who's not openminded, by not taking the time to listen to and analyze me. 

We're totally open to a naked debate with everyone from this blog.  Haulover anyone?  We'll bring the umbrella and our young, naked selves.  :)

Favor is spelled without a "u" by the way.  Atleast in places where it matters.

AAwhatevercrypt: Baby you've been brainwashed too....No point in talking to you. Europe owns it's existence to the US??  How about vice versa??

Oh, right, we only count those parts of history that favor our less than narrowminded view. Only one favour please, since talking to you will remain pointless: Change that line anout being "openminded" in your profile - you have aptly demonstrated the opposite in this blog. And since even that comment from that sweet former republican lady did not make reevalue things...bye.

"I think you have a very bright mind but you do need to open it up.  If you are fluent in 5 (count'em FIVE) languages, you need to study the history associated with them and read the newspapers published in those languages." 

I have studied the history associated with them, extensively.  I'm not fluent in five, just two, and learning the others.  And believe me, I get enough world perspective from CNN. 

Wow ANDC1521!  I posted the second comment on this blog and have been following it every few hours to keep up with it ever since.  I have indulged your youthful ideaology having been a young die hard Republican myself.  I would love to talk to you in another 25 years to see what path your journey has taken.

"WHY SHOULD I READ THE INTERNATIONAL PAPERS.  SCREW THOSE SOBS - THOSE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES OWE THEIR EXISTENCE TO THE USA.  IF NOT FOR US THEY'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN OR RUSSIAN."

Why should I read international papers?  Because the WORLD is not America! Those European Countries have far more history than the United States.  The NEWS as reported by credible news agencies around the world can cast a very different slant on a single story.  IF you read international papers, you may learn that the rest of the world does not hold us in the high esteem we hold ourselves.  They may offer a politically incorrect (but quite accurate!) assessment of our involvement in world affairs. 

I think you have a very bright mind but you do need to open it up.  If you are fluent in 5 (count'em FIVE) languages, you need to study the history associated with them and read the newspapers published in those languages. 

To reiterate a post on a different blog... "What the world needs now is love, sweet love."

"oh yeah: that young kiddo from Dallas (AAwhatever): Why dontcha spend some weeks in Gitmo?? Estimates put the number of perfectly INNOCENT inmates at somewhere between 60-85%...bet you didn't hear that on FAUXnews or your conservative blogs. Rolling Stone had an excellent report on it some issues ago...well worth checking out. As well as reading some international papers, especially since pretty much every European country had some of its citizens disappear into Gitmo, only to have them released later as proven 100%innocent. But tortured they were nevertheless...

But then, what do ya know? You weren't even allowed to drink or vote when that sick joke of a frat boy loser turned pres became King George II... What a pity. "

You know who's innocent?  The American construction contractor who's head they sawed off with a kitchen knife on video tape.  He was innoncent. 

Why should I go to Gitmo?  I didn't plan to blow up any buildings.  Estimates, eh?  What estimates... who's estimates?  Rollingstone's?  Please.  Why should I trust Rollingstone over anyone?  Is it 60% or 85% that are innocent?  Don't quote any rediculous editorials when you want to debate with me.  I do you the favor of not quoting Limbaugh or Hannity, or O'Reiley. 

What does Torture mean to you?  Did they receive permanent damage?  Like having their head cut off?  I don't think so. 

Why should I read international papers?  Screw those sons of bitches.  Those European countries owe their existence to the United States.  If not for us, they'd be speaking German or Russian. 

Speaking of which, it's completely absurd to make comparisons about our government in relation to Bolsheviks.  You libs would be shot for saying what you say if our government was in any way like the dictatorships of this past century. 

Yeah, I wasn't old enough the first time, but I was the second and I did vote for him, as did 51% of the country.  What's 51%?  A majority, which is something Clinton never won.  During both his elections, the majority of people who voted, voted for someone else. 

oh yeah: that young kiddo from Dallas (AAwhatever): Why dontcha spend some weeks in Gitmo?? Estimates put the number of perfectly INNOCENT inmates at somewhere between 60-85%...bet you didn't hear that on FAUXnews or your conservative blogs. Rolling Stone had an excellent report on it some issues ago...well worth checking out. As well as reading some international papers, especially since pretty much every European country had some of its citizens disappear into Gitmo, only to have them released later as proven 100%innocent. But tortured they were nevertheless...

But then, what do ya know? You weren't even allowed to drink or vote when that sick joke of a frat boy loser turned pres became King George II... What a pity.

"or, drive to Starbucks in your SUV while listening to the Best Of Sting. Grab a Latte and head to Best Buy for that plasma. Stop off at your contractor's office to see how the addition to your already vast residence is progressing. Head home, plug in that plasma and find everything that you can to reinforce you that your life is just fine. "

That sounds like a marvelous idea.  Funsun... why don't you go jump off a bridge?  I don't mean that in a mean way, but if I "knew" all the things you "know", I'd either do that or move to Paris where it's safe.

Parlez-vous Francais?  Based on your post, you clearly don't speak english that well.  hyppocrats, wistle... dah duh dah.  Also, your math skills are a little faulty.  Might want to check that relative ratio again.

No, not Gay... I've never really had a problem with gay people, even though most of the people I grew up with in Michigan did.

BABYSUE... I certainly did read this entire blog. And mostly what I read was ridicule and insults from the liberals. I prefer to debate facts and ideas. But that takes a little READING doesn't it? 

But I'm done here. I'll go ahead and give you your one last insult at me since that's what you seem to enjoy.

Barbara

Dear AANDC.....where have you been??? i've missed you????

This blog is not the same without your 'young' thoughts and 'bogus' ideas...(wink)

(you know i am kidding when i say that......)

Rumor has it that there are many more gay republicans on the hill than anywhere else in washington...humm.....

AANDC are you gay???? I'm gay....maybe we could be gay together.....lol

Dear CBL2718,

Darling you are getting into this debate a little late. Myself and few others have been on this blog at its beginning and plenty of 'facts' were shared by both sides. READ THE BLOG FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. (i know it doesnt have pictures but i am sure you can do it!.....) You will see myself, funsun, AANDC, and a few others who were battleing it out till late in the evening. Some sober...some drunk...but we were there....

YOU are coming to the party with nothing to share...and whats worth is you are too lazy to read the entire blog. You just decide to bust in like Mrs Asshole and you have no idea what you are talking about...so unless you want to read the ENTIRE blog i suggest you find another topic to play with....you are Clueless!

"WE SWING FOR MORE GITMO - GOP 06"?

I would definately wear one of those shirts.  Can you get me one?

Wow..not that I really care but 66% on here are STILL rebublican after 6 ( S I X ) years of constant lying, bs, getting caught with both greedy hands in the cookie jar Bushregime and you ARE STILL BUYING INTO that???

Wow, that's somewhere between scary and amazing, like looking at a trainwreck. That beats even the worst approval rating that FAUXnews could come up with. Who would have thought that?? It is obviously NOT the  biblethumping "christian" fundamentalists who are Bush's most devoted disciples but suburban swingers....

And I thought we were among open-minded people and all that...

Could you please print T-shirts "Cocksuckers for Bush" or "WE SWING FOR MORE GITMO - GOP 06"?

Print those shirts, wear'em at the next GOP convention and identify yourselves in public...nahh, I didn't think you'd had in in ya...

66%....phewww. NOW I need a drink...

BABYSUE...It's been my experience that when someone's only debate is ridicule and insult it usually means that person has not read enough on that subject to offer anything but ridicule and insult.

You sound like such a person.

Barbara

• So what!  Life is full of irony and conflict.  Many people strive for balance of some sort, but conflict still exists.  Does this conflict affect their skills as a lover?  Do political beliefs make them a better swinger?  Maybe, who knows and who really cares.  In my experience, newly freed sexually repressed people make the most intense lovers...much like a kid in a candy store.  They have come from both sides of the fence, liberal and conservative.  Does their new sexual freedom change their core belief system?  Not usually.  In some instances it opens their mind to other possibilities, but in the grand scheme of things they still remain liberal or conservative in their beliefs...no matter which party they subscribe to.
  
  You want irony.  Here is a liberal blog trying to label, pigeon-hole and categorize who will and/or should be considered a true swinger based upon political beliefs.  Now isn't that just like the liberal pot calling the conservative kettle black.

In our mind, this is typically an US question that would not even come to the mind of European people. The problem in US is that the present conservative republican US President is just an instrument in the hand of religious extremists, fighting again other religious extremists.  We do not make it a personal case. It is a fact that religious extremists have a strong influence in US and are openly and deeply rooted in the Republican Party. This is not so much the case in Europe - at least we do all what we can to limit that influence (to be honest, Poland is probably an exception). For instance, no Head of State, either conservative (such as our president in France) or social democrat (such as the prime Minister in Spain) commented here the recent pseudo-conflict between the Pope and the Muslim radical leaders. Both political sides were right.

Let US Rebuplicans swing if thay are swingers! Political life has laws of its own - much more like theater than like acual life. Who can seriously pretend that election campaigns are anything other than big fairs? Too much money and too much power challenges are at stake to make them honest philosophical debates.  Just as sport competiton  have much more to do with money than with sport.

The sea was angry that day, my friend.  Like and old man trying to return soup at a deli.

Many of the Bushevicks cannot understand dry, sophisticated humor.  Quite frankly there are not a lot of clever people in this country.  

We all know the the least common denominator appeals to the masses.  That is why George Bush and the my way or the highway, cowboy personna is so popular.

Bushevicks think that they are open to a wide range of thought and ideas; however, they don't realize that they are not.  For instance they believe that their right is Rick Santorum and their left is Arlen Spector.  In the grand sceme that is like the famous line from the Blues Brothers movie, "We got country and western."

Wake up Bushevicks.  You were lied to.  Your government coordinated a sceme to make you afraid of a man that posed no threat you.  As a result his administration broke internation law, attacked a soverign nation, killed countless people, destabalized an entire region of the world and made us the most hated country on the face of the earth.

Dear CBL2718,

I think you might be a bit mixed-up...most of my insults were actually intended to be humorous. (the conservative bible thumpers give me a TON of  material) if you took it personal I am sorry.....But you gotta admit. No one could make this shit up....the administration is completely inept and Bush couldn't think his way out of a paper bag!

That group of idiots couldnt get out of bed without screwing up! read sweetie...read...you will be amazed at what you could learn.

Nobody from the right can dispute the Downing Street memo.  Tony Blair said that it was authentic.  The Downiung Street memo is kryptonite to Bushekivks.  They have to run and hide.  They cannot dispute it.

Also, what happened to the Republican party.  If I was a Republican I would be ashamed that my party had been stolen out from under me by a group of religious fanatics.

Hi!

I am not one to blog too often, but I find it interesting that 61% of the people that voted on this site (one that I would by nature consider to be liberal) believe themselves to be republican. I continue to hear the same 6-7 people denounce Bush and republicans in general, while upholding democrat beliefs and Clinton. To speak from a conservative/libertarian perspective:

Bush has made some mistakes. He has done some things right. However, during his presidency he has dealt with a major terrorist attack, the market "decline" following that, a tsunami that killed more then the attack and war put together, and a natural disaster of epic proportions (Katrina). Throughout this he has remained in general favor of the public, the stock market has rebounded to record levels, interest rates have fallen, the unemployment rate is low, and the debt to income ratio of Americans has reduced. The average Joe American's life has bettered. That, we do need to give him credit for.

Clinton has screwed up (literally). He has also done some amazing things given a divided house, senate, and scandal. He did increase spending on the military when it was needed. He began a nation-wide initiative to have all students reading, writing, and analyzing in English, no matter their background. He funded higher education and began the idea of all students being college bound. The nation was prosperous under him; however that was because of what previous presidents did.

To answer the original blog exactly: Is it possible for a conservative Republican to be a true swinger? The answer to that: what is the definition of a "conservative Republican?" If it is someone who believes exactly what the Republican party believes, and doesn't divert from those thoughts, then the answer is no. However, as all people are allowed to believe in what they damn well want, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who fits that definition. The chair of the Republican Party probably diverts from the set beliefs as well. Speaking in general terms, republicans believe in smaller, localized government with less federal regulations, lower taxes and less spending (I know the president now diverts from this, you don't need to remind me), a strong family unit as the basis for society, and self-sufficiency. Given these general terms I see no reason why someone cannot claim to be a republican and a swinger.

As I do not blog too often, I will probably not respond to anyone dissecting my thoughts. You too, are allowed your ideas on this matter. Cheers!

Dear Serbastian,

I think our friends from the right have run for cover! your last post was wonderful. This administration is on its last leg...and if we dont get them this year we will get them in 08. What a complete group of thieves and at least one molester....the republican party is finally showing their true colors and America is beginning see it for themselves.

Condelesa Rice is the next head to roll.....she was told in advance about the threat to America and she has been caught in a HUGE lie and its all spelled out Woodwards book.

thanks for an awesome topic....!

Sue

The blogs are great, but:

I would like to codially invite all you patriots who believe we can do better than a GOP world, a GOP government, GOP morality and paying all the GOP's bills for them with tax money to come to SWINGERS TALK, CURRENT EVENTS and police the boards there.

In SWINGERS TALK there are a few repetitive, insulting, simple-minded champions of  closet pervs who take great pride in insult as a way of discussing.

LET'S NOT LET THEM CLAIM GOD, HARD WORK, THE AMERICAN TREASURY, YOUR MILITARY, MORAL CHOICES AND THE WORLD OF SWINGING, TOO.

Enough popular sentiment will shut these fuckers up.  You will have to take the gloves off with them, as they act like lawyers, and come out dirty with their first moves.  On the other hand, some people just need to be confronted on the terms they think are acceptible........

He,he!  It will be fun, too.  It is very easy to get them pissed, and use them as examples of why people shouldn't be like that.

Finally the family values tour is over...Hey Christian Right, still wanna be Republican!

No childleft behind...More like no child's behind left! 

Sorry, I know that was wrong... 

Personally I have no problem with someone wanting to have sex with a sixteen year old...In many countries and some states it's perfectly legal...Like Dave Chapell said...We can try em as adult criminals a young as age 12 but we can't fuck em till they're 18? (Maybe not verbatum but the concept is there)

Either way you view statatory rape laws, what Foley did is not only wrong for the context in which it was done but just stupid!  My concern is if Hasert had concerns about this behavior much earlier, why did he not bring it to light?  Even the FBI had the info yet no investigation insued...Was there a cover-up?  One must wonder to what lengths  politicians will go to protect their party, (Dems included). One would have to be very naive to think otherwise...This thing is going to blow up and right before the election!  No one likes to win by default but hey, a win is a win..I'll take it!

Don't forget to VOTE!Explicit image available, join sdc.com to view

Iraq is lost and we are losing Afghanistan. The U.S. Army is in shambles, and the entire military is in disarray. We are creating and nurturing more terrorists, and our nation is despised around the globe. The president's "war time consigliere" is a war criminal.

Our most fundamental constitutional rights are under assault as a spineless Congress gives the president the authority to jail anyone he wants for as long as he wants without even bringing charges.

George W. Bush has brought us to our most serious national identity crisis since the Civil War, and too few in civic life and the "watchdogs" in the corporate media are willing to challenge this mad and increasingly dangerous man. The Busheviks are using fear and propaganda to reshape our national values to serve their craven political purposes and addiction to power.

This morning Brit Hume compared Mark Foley's behavior toward underage boys, sophomores and Juniors in High School, to President Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. It might be redundant to say that this delegitimizes Fox as a serious news network, but I'll say it anyway.

The faulty logic is obvious, there is no comparison between consensual, legal sex between adults, and the stalking and victimizing of children by an adult in a position of authority over them.

"This Monday marked the third anniversary of President Bush's speech on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln," Harkin said. "On that occasion, the President proclaimed our 'mission accomplished,' stating triumphantly that 'major combat operations in Iraq have ended.' But three years later, 133,000 troops remain on the ground, and the President has signaled that the U.S. military occupation in Iraq is open-ended and of indefinite duration. President Bush's call to 'stay the course' is a slogan, not a strategy for success. Indeed, I fear that 'stay the course' really means 'stay forever,' and this sends exactly the wrong message. It stokes the insurgents, who believe that the U.S. wants a permanent military presence in Iraq. And it takes away any incentive for the Iraqi government to resolve its internal divisions and stand on its own feet."

Can a conservative republican be swinger?

SURE, THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, and that would be very exciting for them to make something that they preach on their social political life, is incorrect.

One good question would be: Can these sw couples be bisexual?

Ohh...  holy shit what would they answer? "Mmmmm....?? We can fuck people of our same sex but we can not marry them, ITS AGAINST GODS LAW".

Republicans: Thank the liberals for providing cheap medicines to your disease treatement of schizophrenia.

Yes, i do not live in the U.S., i am latin, a minority fighting your oil war. Can you brave republicans tell me how many republican senators have their children in Irak?

Swingers Talk: "The real SWINGERS forum always POLITICALLY INCORRECT and full off the wall debate."

Politically incorrect, what irony, a forum to talk about all the things liberals talk. Well, im having so much fun reading posts from "liberal republicans".

Republican SWINGERS TALK: A forum where we teach you how to have the dirtiest (=best) sex and still tell others that they should not do what we do. No Gay, Gays in military, Lesbian, Bisexual, bicurious, immigrant, muslim, pacifist, black, latin, chinese, north korean, cambodian, vietnamese, syrian, iranian, canadian, algerian, native american, russian, philippine, lebanese, pakistan, somalian, yugoslavian, liberian, afghanistan, french, poor, single moms, civil libertarian, environmentalist, abortionist, free health care, war veteran or marijuana smoker people allowed.  We also hate the image you look in the mirror, so, GET RID OF THOSE STUPID MIRRORS. You have a great country, you deserve the truth.

Best wishes.

BRAVO NGHYTCOPL1 BRAVO!

beautifully written......and right on the mark!

Alright, enough beating around the Bush...it is time to beat him right over the frontal lobe. This guy is as stupid as the day is long. If you check Dick Cheney's right hand you'll see it is moving GW's mouth for him. And every one of you people out there that are repeating eveything they here on Hannity and Comb's and Bill O'Reilly should start thinking for yourselves instead.

What is killing me is that Bill Clinton's got nothing to do with what is going on in Iraq and that is where our soldiers are dying. Who gives a shit about what clinton did in the Oral Office?!!

I don't know about you but I have a real dilemna in 2008. I can't vote for anyone who has supported Bush and Cheney but I sure as hell aint voting for Billary either!

Just look at the conservative REPUBLICAN Congressman Foley from West Palm Beach Florida. He just quit because he got caught trying to dittle with little boys! What the Fuck!!! If that's not hypocritical enough for you then I don't know what is! Let's remember it was the Republican's that decided to get into the bedroom of the Clinton's and eventually everyone else in the country. It is the Republicans that have the agenda to legislate morals and not the Democrats. The Facts are what they are........we as a people need to recognize that the government and politicians need to stay out of the private lives of all Americans. The core of the Right Wing ... Reverand Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Jerry Fallwell and a slew of other preachers that supported and got Bush and Cheney elected aren't hypocrits? They are THE republican base!

I think we don't have enough good people in politics. I'll bet there is someone on SDC membership list right now that would make a great president but forget about it. That person we'll need to run our country wont want to do it or be able to do it because the media and the Republicans will smear him or her. The Republicans are the very best..............at the politics of personal destruction. I will give you that one.

Well folks i know there is one seat in Florida we are going to pick up!!! hahahaha

I guess Foley is into young boys.....what a sick fuck.

Shakespear said it best 'thou doest protest too much' (Kinda like Tom Cruise and the whole gay thing.....)

I think i remember Mr 'ultra conservative phedophile Folley ranting about the importance of protecting kids from 'predators'......well little did we know he was talking about HIMSELF.

This is just another example of this scandal ridden administration who has managed to do NOTHING except line their pockets...hide behind the bible....Lie us into war...pass legislation to APPROVE TORTURE....try to blame everything on Clinton to deflect attention from their list of falures...all .while ridding in on the backs of the middle class and the poor.

I have to keep this short. i am on my way to buy Bob Woodward's new book! hahahaha...i hear its caused Bush a few sleepless nights...and AANDC. Google Woodwards name..maybe you will understand why  Bush/Chennay are so upset! hahahaha

'Fee  FFii  Foe Fum....I SMELL THE BLOOD OF A REPUBLICAN!!!"

(I hear they taste like chicken!) now i am screaming with laughter........

Buried amongst the untold affronts to the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the very spirit of America, the torture bill contains a definition of "wrongfully aiding the enemy" which labels all American citizens who breach their "allegiance" to President Bush and the actions of his government as terrorists subject to possible arrest, torture and conviction in front of a military tribunal.

 Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries 

What 20 countries?  Can you list them?

Where do you get your information?

If you got it from Mr. Clarence, your info is not reliable.  He is a mouthpiece for the liberal movement in this country and is a completely politically biased.  His information cannot be counted as impartial.

I googled his name and came up with this article, written by him.

The Bush Lies: Putting GOP-Style Decency and Integrity Back in the White House

BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY
by Clarence Swinney

Here's the link.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/13_lies.html

Although from how "simply" this article is written you might not notice; Clarence has an IQ of 202.

Please.  If I quoted Rush Limbaugh as a source for reliable facts, you libs would laugh at me.  Find some real facts.

"Bill Clinton is loved all around the world, except here in the US by people like you.  Bill Clinton is the most recognizeable person in the world. " 

Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Yao Ming, Adolf Hitler, George Washington, Tom Cruise, and countless others are more recognizeable than Bill Clinton.  I guarantee you Bush is more recognizable, just because he's in the headlines everyday. 

If he were so loved, why were there 4 terrorist attacks on American property during his presidency?

"AANDC has got to be the youngest poster I have heard speaking the wisdoms that are new to them but are the broken record of what people wished the Republican Party still stood for.  One wonders where he might grow to, spouting the wisdom of the most materially shifted adults in this country already -- unless a certain amount of re-thinking is in order, he will probably spend most of his life a brilliant government lobbyist getting what he deserves as he helps vested and monied interests get what they deserve, He,he!"

See, I told you.  Rediculed and made fun of.  No attempt to answer my question. 

"And the GUY4CPLS is still single, still reveling in the popular vote instead of the substance of the post, and still kneeling there with that little thing poking out. He,he!"

Have to admit that that was pretty funny.

Well this has degraded into the same-ol anecdotal recitations of right and left supporters sharing as if the other side was going to move based on facts.

My compliments to Sebastian for trying t